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	<title>Comments on: SA and Australian Governments caught editing Wikipedia</title>
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		<title>By: Karen Lotter</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2667</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Lotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%. I&#039;m the kind who wears braces and a belt. God&#039;s Warriors was on last week over three nights Wed - Friday from 9 - 11. on CNN. It should have been compulsory viewing. It was really interesting, scary and great reporting. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;It is so ironic because it shows so clearly that all three groups - these are the radicals, the fundamentalists in all three religions really want to same thing - a better world with more God in it; a more moral society, less materialism etc - but sadly they all believe that the only way it can happen in their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%. I&#39;m the kind who wears braces and a belt. God&#39;s Warriors was on last week over three nights Wed &#8211; Friday from 9 &#8211; 11. on CNN. It should have been compulsory viewing. It was really interesting, scary and great reporting. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/">http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/</a> <br />It is so ironic because it shows so clearly that all three groups &#8211; these are the radicals, the fundamentalists in all three religions really want to same thing &#8211; a better world with more God in it; a more moral society, less materialism etc &#8211; but sadly they all believe that the only way it can happen in their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hartman</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2666</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is also my first stop and more often than not I don&#039;t go anywhere else. It&#039;s just so darn easy to get info and therein lies the problem.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the most part there is nothing really wrong with Wikipedia and as mentioned before I&#039;m a big fan - I just think we need to be careful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I didn&#039;t see that series Karen, when exactly was it on? I&#039;d love to try and see if I can get my hands on it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is also my first stop and more often than not I don&#39;t go anywhere else. It&#39;s just so darn easy to get info and therein lies the problem.</p>
<p>For the most part there is nothing really wrong with Wikipedia and as mentioned before I&#39;m a big fan &#8211; I just think we need to be careful.</p>
<p>I didn&#39;t see that series Karen, when exactly was it on? I&#39;d love to try and see if I can get my hands on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Lotter</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Lotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%. I&#039;m the kind who wears braces and a belt. God&#039;s Warriors was on last week over three nights Wed - Friday from 9 - 11. on CNN. It should have been compulsory viewing. It was really interesting, scary and great reporting. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/ 
It is so ironic because it shows so clearly that all three groups - these are the radicals, the fundamentalists in all three religions really want to same thing - a better world with more God in it; a more moral society, less materialism etc - but sadly they all believe that the only way it can happen in their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%. I&#8217;m the kind who wears braces and a belt. God&#8217;s Warriors was on last week over three nights Wed &#8211; Friday from 9 &#8211; 11. on CNN. It should have been compulsory viewing. It was really interesting, scary and great reporting. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/</a><br />
It is so ironic because it shows so clearly that all three groups &#8211; these are the radicals, the fundamentalists in all three religions really want to same thing &#8211; a better world with more God in it; a more moral society, less materialism etc &#8211; but sadly they all believe that the only way it can happen in their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hartman</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is also my first stop and more often than not I don&#039;t go anywhere else. It&#039;s just so darn easy to get info and therein lies the problem.

For the most part there is nothing really wrong with Wikipedia and as mentioned before I&#039;m a big fan - I just think we need to be careful.

I didn&#039;t see that series Karen, when exactly was it on? I&#039;d love to try and see if I can get my hands on it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is also my first stop and more often than not I don&#8217;t go anywhere else. It&#8217;s just so darn easy to get info and therein lies the problem.</p>
<p>For the most part there is nothing really wrong with Wikipedia and as mentioned before I&#8217;m a big fan &#8211; I just think we need to be careful.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see that series Karen, when exactly was it on? I&#8217;d love to try and see if I can get my hands on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Lotter</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2665</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Lotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you&#039;re saying about Wikipedia. I&#039;ve heard others raise the same concerns. I think in many ways the internet as a whole is seen by many as a new &quot;culture of disinformation&quot; and by some as a playground for pedofiles or for bomb makers or whatever.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One needs to be selective.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wikipedia is often my fist stop. Then I check the facts with other sources.(I&#039;m neurotic, so I check with a few sources anyway). I think it could become a very interesting resource, especially for Africa when more people are able to make their voices heard and tell the history we still don&#039;t know about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone believes their beliefs are right - did you watch Christiane Amanpour&#039;s brilliant three part CNN series God&#039;s Warriors that ended last night?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But hopefully with a website where everyone can add and delete, it will eventually balance out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you&#39;re saying about Wikipedia. I&#39;ve heard others raise the same concerns. I think in many ways the internet as a whole is seen by many as a new &#8220;culture of disinformation&#8221; and by some as a playground for pedofiles or for bomb makers or whatever.</p>
<p>One needs to be selective.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is often my fist stop. Then I check the facts with other sources.(I&#39;m neurotic, so I check with a few sources anyway). I think it could become a very interesting resource, especially for Africa when more people are able to make their voices heard and tell the history we still don&#39;t know about.</p>
<p>Everyone believes their beliefs are right &#8211; did you watch Christiane Amanpour&#39;s brilliant three part CNN series God&#39;s Warriors that ended last night?</p>
<p>But hopefully with a website where everyone can add and delete, it will eventually balance out.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hartman</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2664</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Karen&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are most likely correct that there is only a handful of people (possibly) involved in this censorship but does that change anything? The point I&#039;m trying to make is that Gov both here and in Australia are trying to censor content - end of story.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now we can debate till the cows come home just how widespread the issue is in Government but for me that&#039;s not relevant. If one of them does it how long do you think it will take for the rest of them to latch on?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Was I a little overzealous with the propaganda issue - definitely! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I&#039;ve watched the issues crop up over Wikipedia pages that are factually incorrect, some of which refused to be changed by Wikipedia themselves and while this aims to be a democratic voice for the masses and the information contained most people won&#039;t ever know about the incorrect ones. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are we not just starting a new culture of disinformation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Karen</p>
<p>You are most likely correct that there is only a handful of people (possibly) involved in this censorship but does that change anything? The point I&#39;m trying to make is that Gov both here and in Australia are trying to censor content &#8211; end of story.</p>
<p>Now we can debate till the cows come home just how widespread the issue is in Government but for me that&#39;s not relevant. If one of them does it how long do you think it will take for the rest of them to latch on?</p>
<p>Was I a little overzealous with the propaganda issue &#8211; definitely! </p>
<p>That said, I&#39;ve watched the issues crop up over Wikipedia pages that are factually incorrect, some of which refused to be changed by Wikipedia themselves and while this aims to be a democratic voice for the masses and the information contained most people won&#39;t ever know about the incorrect ones. </p>
<p>Are we not just starting a new culture of disinformation?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Lotter</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2663</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Lotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How reliable are you Justin? The South African Government editing Wikipedia? You make it sound like official policy - it was probably some little nerd in the stats office - hardly a &quot;plot&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder why the local media so reactive when it comes to the government - I think if you took a poll of cabinet and parliament - who make up the SA Government  -there might be a only vague awareness  of what a Wiki is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know about Australia, but guess it&#039;s much of the same and as for Wikipedia - I&#039;m prepared to give it a go, although I cross check. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everything is propaganda Justin - Growing up in apartheid South Africa, the history I learned in printed schoolbooks, the religion I learned in church, it was all lies, all propaganda - at least with Wikipedia everyone has a chance to add their propaganda(or delete it), it isn&#039;t one sided - so that is pretty close to a democratic voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How reliable are you Justin? The South African Government editing Wikipedia? You make it sound like official policy &#8211; it was probably some little nerd in the stats office &#8211; hardly a &#8220;plot&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder why the local media so reactive when it comes to the government &#8211; I think if you took a poll of cabinet and parliament &#8211; who make up the SA Government  -there might be a only vague awareness  of what a Wiki is.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know about Australia, but guess it&#39;s much of the same and as for Wikipedia &#8211; I&#39;m prepared to give it a go, although I cross check. </p>
<p>Everything is propaganda Justin &#8211; Growing up in apartheid South Africa, the history I learned in printed schoolbooks, the religion I learned in church, it was all lies, all propaganda &#8211; at least with Wikipedia everyone has a chance to add their propaganda(or delete it), it isn&#39;t one sided &#8211; so that is pretty close to a democratic voice.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Lotter</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Lotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you&#039;re saying about Wikipedia. I&#039;ve heard others raise the same concerns. I think in many ways the internet as a whole is seen by many as a new &quot;culture of disinformation&quot; and by some as a playground for pedofiles or for bomb makers or whatever.

One needs to be selective.

Wikipedia is often my fist stop. Then I check the facts with other sources.(I&#039;m neurotic, so I check with a few sources anyway). I think it could become a very interesting resource, especially for Africa when more people are able to make their voices heard and tell the history we still don&#039;t know about.

Everyone believes their beliefs are right - did you watch Christiane Amanpour&#039;s brilliant three part CNN series God&#039;s Warriors that ended last night?

But hopefully with a website where everyone can add and delete, it will eventually balance out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying about Wikipedia. I&#8217;ve heard others raise the same concerns. I think in many ways the internet as a whole is seen by many as a new &#8220;culture of disinformation&#8221; and by some as a playground for pedofiles or for bomb makers or whatever.</p>
<p>One needs to be selective.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is often my fist stop. Then I check the facts with other sources.(I&#8217;m neurotic, so I check with a few sources anyway). I think it could become a very interesting resource, especially for Africa when more people are able to make their voices heard and tell the history we still don&#8217;t know about.</p>
<p>Everyone believes their beliefs are right &#8211; did you watch Christiane Amanpour&#8217;s brilliant three part CNN series God&#8217;s Warriors that ended last night?</p>
<p>But hopefully with a website where everyone can add and delete, it will eventually balance out.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hartman</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Karen

You are most likely correct that there is only a handful of people (possibly) involved in this censorship but does that change anything? The point I&#039;m trying to make is that Gov both here and in Australia are trying to censor content - end of story.

Now we can debate till the cows come home just how widespread the issue is in Government but for me that&#039;s not relevant. If one of them does it how long do you think it will take for the rest of them to latch on?

Was I a little overzealous with the propaganda issue - definitely! 

That said, I&#039;ve watched the issues crop up over Wikipedia pages that are factually incorrect, some of which refused to be changed by Wikipedia themselves and while this aims to be a democratic voice for the masses and the information contained most people won&#039;t ever know about the incorrect ones. 

Are we not just starting a new culture of disinformation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Karen</p>
<p>You are most likely correct that there is only a handful of people (possibly) involved in this censorship but does that change anything? The point I&#8217;m trying to make is that Gov both here and in Australia are trying to censor content &#8211; end of story.</p>
<p>Now we can debate till the cows come home just how widespread the issue is in Government but for me that&#8217;s not relevant. If one of them does it how long do you think it will take for the rest of them to latch on?</p>
<p>Was I a little overzealous with the propaganda issue &#8211; definitely! </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve watched the issues crop up over Wikipedia pages that are factually incorrect, some of which refused to be changed by Wikipedia themselves and while this aims to be a democratic voice for the masses and the information contained most people won&#8217;t ever know about the incorrect ones. </p>
<p>Are we not just starting a new culture of disinformation?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Lotter</title>
		<link>http://justinhartman.com/2007/08/24/sa-and-australian-governments-caught-editing-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Lotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How reliable are you Justin? The South African Government editing Wikipedia? You make it sound like official policy - it was probably some little nerd in the stats office - hardly a &quot;plot&quot;.

I wonder why the local media so reactive when it comes to the government - I think if you took a poll of cabinet and parliament - who make up the SA Government  -there might be a only vague awareness  of what a Wiki is.

I don&#039;t know about Australia, but guess it&#039;s much of the same and as for Wikipedia - I&#039;m prepared to give it a go, although I cross check. 

Everything is propaganda Justin - Growing up in apartheid South Africa, the history I learned in printed schoolbooks, the religion I learned in church, it was all lies, all propaganda - at least with Wikipedia everyone has a chance to add their propaganda(or delete it), it isn&#039;t one sided - so that is pretty close to a democratic voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How reliable are you Justin? The South African Government editing Wikipedia? You make it sound like official policy &#8211; it was probably some little nerd in the stats office &#8211; hardly a &#8220;plot&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder why the local media so reactive when it comes to the government &#8211; I think if you took a poll of cabinet and parliament &#8211; who make up the SA Government  -there might be a only vague awareness  of what a Wiki is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about Australia, but guess it&#8217;s much of the same and as for Wikipedia &#8211; I&#8217;m prepared to give it a go, although I cross check. </p>
<p>Everything is propaganda Justin &#8211; Growing up in apartheid South Africa, the history I learned in printed schoolbooks, the religion I learned in church, it was all lies, all propaganda &#8211; at least with Wikipedia everyone has a chance to add their propaganda(or delete it), it isn&#8217;t one sided &#8211; so that is pretty close to a democratic voice.</p>
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