Comments on: State of the nation: Fucked http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/ Living Life. Running a Startup. Loving Technology. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:27:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Justin Hartman http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2184 Justin Hartman Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:39:19 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2184 Thomas I couldn't agree more. I wish you all the best with your new blog!!! Looking great BTW. Thomas I couldn't agree more. I wish you all the best with your new blog!!! Looking great BTW.

]]> By: Justin Hartman http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1849 Justin Hartman Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:39:19 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1849 Thomas I couldn't agree more. I wish you all the best with your new blog!!! Looking great BTW. Thomas I couldn’t agree more. I wish you all the best with your new blog!!! Looking great BTW.

]]> By: Thomas http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2182 Thomas Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:51:19 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2182 Several comments show the sense of despair among South Africans and frustration at our government's persistent lack of responsiveness to the various crises that have befallen our democracy. It really disturbs me that every week we face a new and serious national crisis. Since xenophobic violence a month ago, we've had a constitutional crisis and youth leaders' intimidations and incitement. As of this weekend, when Blade Nzimande and Zwelinzima Vavi backed Julius Malema, that issue has intensified.<br><br>I'm not sure that the state of the nation is fucked, but if we don;t act quickly we will be. We need to reorient our democracy from the top down model and build it from the bottom up, so that government is more accountable and more responsive. Pie in the sky? Maybe, but there isn;t an alternative. It's that, or we must accept that were fucked and be prepared to live with it. I'm not. <br><br>History Matters is a new (and i mean brand spanking new) blog where we want to encourage exactly the kind of national conversation that will forge consensus about what needs doing. More than a talking shop, we want to use it as a platform for civil society activism with a view toward convening a national conference along the lines of the Congress of the People, the All-In Conference and the launch of the UDF. Apathy is always an option, but so is unfucking ourselves - and you feel better too! Several comments show the sense of despair among South Africans and frustration at our government's persistent lack of responsiveness to the various crises that have befallen our democracy. It really disturbs me that every week we face a new and serious national crisis. Since xenophobic violence a month ago, we've had a constitutional crisis and youth leaders' intimidations and incitement. As of this weekend, when Blade Nzimande and Zwelinzima Vavi backed Julius Malema, that issue has intensified.

I'm not sure that the state of the nation is fucked, but if we don;t act quickly we will be. We need to reorient our democracy from the top down model and build it from the bottom up, so that government is more accountable and more responsive. Pie in the sky? Maybe, but there isn;t an alternative. It's that, or we must accept that were fucked and be prepared to live with it. I'm not.

History Matters is a new (and i mean brand spanking new) blog where we want to encourage exactly the kind of national conversation that will forge consensus about what needs doing. More than a talking shop, we want to use it as a platform for civil society activism with a view toward convening a national conference along the lines of the Congress of the People, the All-In Conference and the launch of the UDF. Apathy is always an option, but so is unfucking ourselves - and you feel better too!

]]> By: Thomas http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1846 Thomas Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:51:19 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1846 Several comments show the sense of despair among South Africans and frustration at our government's persistent lack of responsiveness to the various crises that have befallen our democracy. It really disturbs me that every week we face a new and serious national crisis. Since xenophobic violence a month ago, we've had a constitutional crisis and youth leaders' intimidations and incitement. As of this weekend, when Blade Nzimande and Zwelinzima Vavi backed Julius Malema, that issue has intensified. I'm not sure that the state of the nation is fucked, but if we don;t act quickly we will be. We need to reorient our democracy from the top down model and build it from the bottom up, so that government is more accountable and more responsive. Pie in the sky? Maybe, but there isn;t an alternative. It's that, or we must accept that were fucked and be prepared to live with it. I'm not. History Matters is a new (and i mean brand spanking new) blog where we want to encourage exactly the kind of national conversation that will forge consensus about what needs doing. More than a talking shop, we want to use it as a platform for civil society activism with a view toward convening a national conference along the lines of the Congress of the People, the All-In Conference and the launch of the UDF. Apathy is always an option, but so is unfucking ourselves - and you feel better too! Several comments show the sense of despair among South Africans and frustration at our government’s persistent lack of responsiveness to the various crises that have befallen our democracy. It really disturbs me that every week we face a new and serious national crisis. Since xenophobic violence a month ago, we’ve had a constitutional crisis and youth leaders’ intimidations and incitement. As of this weekend, when Blade Nzimande and Zwelinzima Vavi backed Julius Malema, that issue has intensified.

I’m not sure that the state of the nation is fucked, but if we don;t act quickly we will be. We need to reorient our democracy from the top down model and build it from the bottom up, so that government is more accountable and more responsive. Pie in the sky? Maybe, but there isn;t an alternative. It’s that, or we must accept that were fucked and be prepared to live with it. I’m not.

History Matters is a new (and i mean brand spanking new) blog where we want to encourage exactly the kind of national conversation that will forge consensus about what needs doing. More than a talking shop, we want to use it as a platform for civil society activism with a view toward convening a national conference along the lines of the Congress of the People, the All-In Conference and the launch of the UDF. Apathy is always an option, but so is unfucking ourselves - and you feel better too!

]]> By: Oluniyi David Ajao http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2177 Oluniyi David Ajao Wed, 28 May 2008 03:41:40 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2177 <strong>As Xenophobic as South Africans...</strong><br><br>A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans.<br>...... As Xenophobic as South Africans…

A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans.
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]]> By: Oluniyi David Ajao http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2180 Oluniyi David Ajao Wed, 28 May 2008 03:41:40 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2180 <strong>As Xenophobic as South Africans...</strong><br><br>A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans.<br>...... As Xenophobic as South Africans…

A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans.
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]]> By: Oluniyi David Ajao http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1794 Oluniyi David Ajao Tue, 27 May 2008 20:41:40 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1794 <strong>As Xenophobic as South Africans...</strong> A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans. ...... As Xenophobic as South Africans…

A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans.
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]]> By: Oluniyi David Ajao http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1795 Oluniyi David Ajao Tue, 27 May 2008 20:41:40 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1795 <strong>As Xenophobic as South Africans...</strong> A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans. ...... As Xenophobic as South Africans…

A look at the disgraceful xenophobia exhibited by many South Africans.
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]]> By: South Africans: Lobsters in a boiling pot | Paul Jacobson http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 South Africans: Lobsters in a boiling pot | Paul Jacobson Fri, 23 May 2008 05:18:08 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1792 [...] of these vile regimes and now we are forced to watch as these mobs roam the streets with weapons, attacking and even killing anyone who might be a foreigner. Justin makes a very passionate point that reflects many people’s views, my own included: [...] [...] of these vile regimes and now we are forced to watch as these mobs roam the streets with weapons, attacking and even killing anyone who might be a foreigner. Justin makes a very passionate point that reflects many people’s views, my own included: [...]

]]> By: Angry African http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2174 Angry African Thu, 22 May 2008 19:41:52 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2174 Those bastards are no better than the perpetrators of Apartheid. You are no better than the animals that did this to our people during the dark days of Apartheid. You are no better than Craig Williamson. No better than Ferdi Barnard. You are Eugene de Kock.<br><br>You spit on our people who died at Sharpeville. You spit on the killing of the Guguleto 7. You spit on the deaths at the Bisho Massacre. You spit on the 27 years Madiba spent in jail for people like you. You spit on the murder of Biko. You spit on the memories of Braam Fischer. The memory of each and every South African who died and suffered for you to have freedom. Every mother. Every father. Every wife. Every husband. Every sisters. Every brother. Every child. You spit on their suffering.<br><br>No. You are not just as bad as those perpetrators of Apartheid. You are worse. Because you should know better. This has happened to you. How could you? How the hell could you? You stupid barbaric bastards. You are killing a dream. Our dream.<br><a href="http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/terror-in-south-africa-and-the-end-of-a-dream/">http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/terror-in-so...</a> Those bastards are no better than the perpetrators of Apartheid. You are no better than the animals that did this to our people during the dark days of Apartheid. You are no better than Craig Williamson. No better than Ferdi Barnard. You are Eugene de Kock.

You spit on our people who died at Sharpeville. You spit on the killing of the Guguleto 7. You spit on the deaths at the Bisho Massacre. You spit on the 27 years Madiba spent in jail for people like you. You spit on the murder of Biko. You spit on the memories of Braam Fischer. The memory of each and every South African who died and suffered for you to have freedom. Every mother. Every father. Every wife. Every husband. Every sisters. Every brother. Every child. You spit on their suffering.

No. You are not just as bad as those perpetrators of Apartheid. You are worse. Because you should know better. This has happened to you. How could you? How the hell could you? You stupid barbaric bastards. You are killing a dream. Our dream.
http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/terror-in-so...

]]> By: Chris http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2170 Chris Thu, 22 May 2008 14:53:36 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2170 No matter how politicians may eventually try to sweet-talk the reasons for this terrible thing, is this not to be expected from uneducated, illiterate and superstitious people? Doesn't it remind you of medieval (and modern times!) witch hunting? The parallels are striking...<br><br>What is this incompetent government doing about one of the most important crises facing the nation: lack of good education? I'm prepared to bet my shirt that better-educated people would not so readily embark on such a violent course of action. No matter how politicians may eventually try to sweet-talk the reasons for this terrible thing, is this not to be expected from uneducated, illiterate and superstitious people? Doesn't it remind you of medieval (and modern times!) witch hunting? The parallels are striking…

What is this incompetent government doing about one of the most important crises facing the nation: lack of good education? I'm prepared to bet my shirt that better-educated people would not so readily embark on such a violent course of action.

]]> By: Angry African http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1791 Angry African Thu, 22 May 2008 12:41:52 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1791 Those bastards are no better than the perpetrators of Apartheid. You are no better than the animals that did this to our people during the dark days of Apartheid. You are no better than Craig Williamson. No better than Ferdi Barnard. You are Eugene de Kock. You spit on our people who died at Sharpeville. You spit on the killing of the Guguleto 7. You spit on the deaths at the Bisho Massacre. You spit on the 27 years Madiba spent in jail for people like you. You spit on the murder of Biko. You spit on the memories of Braam Fischer. The memory of each and every South African who died and suffered for you to have freedom. Every mother. Every father. Every wife. Every husband. Every sisters. Every brother. Every child. You spit on their suffering. No. You are not just as bad as those perpetrators of Apartheid. You are worse. Because you should know better. This has happened to you. How could you? How the hell could you? You stupid barbaric bastards. You are killing a dream. Our dream. http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/terror-in-south-africa-and-the-end-of-a-dream/ Those bastards are no better than the perpetrators of Apartheid. You are no better than the animals that did this to our people during the dark days of Apartheid. You are no better than Craig Williamson. No better than Ferdi Barnard. You are Eugene de Kock.

You spit on our people who died at Sharpeville. You spit on the killing of the Guguleto 7. You spit on the deaths at the Bisho Massacre. You spit on the 27 years Madiba spent in jail for people like you. You spit on the murder of Biko. You spit on the memories of Braam Fischer. The memory of each and every South African who died and suffered for you to have freedom. Every mother. Every father. Every wife. Every husband. Every sisters. Every brother. Every child. You spit on their suffering.

No. You are not just as bad as those perpetrators of Apartheid. You are worse. Because you should know better. This has happened to you. How could you? How the hell could you? You stupid barbaric bastards. You are killing a dream. Our dream.
http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/terror-in-south-africa-and-the-end-of-a-dream/

]]> By: Chris http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1790 Chris Thu, 22 May 2008 07:53:36 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1790 No matter how politicians may eventually try to sweet-talk the reasons for this terrible thing, is this not to be expected from uneducated, illiterate and superstitious people? Doesn't it remind you of medieval (and modern times!) witch hunting? The parallels are striking... What is this incompetent government doing about one of the most important crises facing the nation: lack of good education? I'm prepared to bet my shirt that better-educated people would not so readily embark on such a violent course of action. No matter how politicians may eventually try to sweet-talk the reasons for this terrible thing, is this not to be expected from uneducated, illiterate and superstitious people? Doesn’t it remind you of medieval (and modern times!) witch hunting? The parallels are striking…

What is this incompetent government doing about one of the most important crises facing the nation: lack of good education? I’m prepared to bet my shirt that better-educated people would not so readily embark on such a violent course of action.

]]> By: When Me Hates Me « Ugandan Insomniac http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1787 When Me Hates Me « Ugandan Insomniac Thu, 22 May 2008 04:59:35 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1787 [...] Justin Hartman concurs in his post titled “State of the Nation: Fucked.”  He says the xenophobic attacks are a culmination of years of suppressed anger and frustration towards Government’s lack of providing and delivery of promises made. [...] [...] Justin Hartman concurs in his post titled “State of the Nation: Fucked.”  He says the xenophobic attacks are a culmination of years of suppressed anger and frustration towards Government’s lack of providing and delivery of promises made. [...]

]]> By: Xenophobia in South Africa - How we’re helping « Afrigator Blog http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1786 Xenophobia in South Africa - How we’re helping « Afrigator Blog Wed, 21 May 2008 22:22:13 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1786 [...] has been astounding and even we have blogged about these atrocities on our personal blogs over here, here and [...] [...] has been astounding and even we have blogged about these atrocities on our personal blogs over here, here and [...]

]]> By: Andi http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2168 Andi Tue, 20 May 2008 23:06:47 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2168 I agree with your sentiments and share your concern. What really frustrates me is that no-one in a position of power is every prepared to admit that there's a problem. Issues are always down-played, ignored or hidden away. One only need look at the "Quiet Diplomacy" approach promoted by Mbeki or the recent statment from Nqakula that the police have the violence under control. Investors aren't stupid - they have eyes and youtube.<br><br>One can only hope that it eventually becomes impossible to continually deny the issues and start facing them. We'll all be better off and on the road to realising the dream the politicians will have you believe we achieved in '94. I agree with your sentiments and share your concern. What really frustrates me is that no-one in a position of power is every prepared to admit that there's a problem. Issues are always down-played, ignored or hidden away. One only need look at the “Quiet Diplomacy” approach promoted by Mbeki or the recent statment from Nqakula that the police have the violence under control. Investors aren't stupid - they have eyes and youtube.

One can only hope that it eventually becomes impossible to continually deny the issues and start facing them. We'll all be better off and on the road to realising the dream the politicians will have you believe we achieved in '94.

]]> By: stii.za.net » Blog Archive » What can we as bloggers do about the Xenophobia crisis? http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1784 stii.za.net » Blog Archive » What can we as bloggers do about the Xenophobia crisis? Tue, 20 May 2008 17:59:57 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1784 [...] finger and you are much better connected, so see if you could organize something like this? Nic, Justin and Gregor, I know you guys feel passionate about current affairs, maybe you could come up with [...] [...] finger and you are much better connected, so see if you could organize something like this? Nic, Justin and Gregor, I know you guys feel passionate about current affairs, maybe you could come up with [...]

]]> By: chido http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-2166 chido Tue, 20 May 2008 17:33:19 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-2166 its quite sad i just found myself criying.u can only imagine what that man went thru.why is there no more respect for human lives.who gave you the authority to be playin God with people's lives.south africans are just lazy people who want to blame hard working foreigners who are willing to go the extra mile to survive.may the wrath of God fall upon these people who are doing this its quite sad i just found myself criying.u can only imagine what that man went thru.why is there no more respect for human lives.who gave you the authority to be playin God with people's lives.south africans are just lazy people who want to blame hard working foreigners who are willing to go the extra mile to survive.may the wrath of God fall upon these people who are doing this

]]> By: Andi http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1783 Andi Tue, 20 May 2008 16:06:47 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1783 I agree with your sentiments and share your concern. What really frustrates me is that no-one in a position of power is every prepared to admit that there's a problem. Issues are always down-played, ignored or hidden away. One only need look at the "Quiet Diplomacy" approach promoted by Mbeki or the recent statment from Nqakula that the police have the violence under control. Investors aren't stupid - they have eyes and youtube. One can only hope that it eventually becomes impossible to continually deny the issues and start facing them. We'll all be better off and on the road to realising the dream the politicians will have you believe we achieved in '94. I agree with your sentiments and share your concern. What really frustrates me is that no-one in a position of power is every prepared to admit that there’s a problem. Issues are always down-played, ignored or hidden away. One only need look at the “Quiet Diplomacy” approach promoted by Mbeki or the recent statment from Nqakula that the police have the violence under control. Investors aren’t stupid - they have eyes and youtube.

One can only hope that it eventually becomes impossible to continually deny the issues and start facing them. We’ll all be better off and on the road to realising the dream the politicians will have you believe we achieved in ‘94.

]]> By: Mike Stopforth » SA Bloggers, Let’s Do Something http://justinhartman.com/2008/05/19/state-of-the-nation-fucked/comment-page-1/#comment-1782 Mike Stopforth » SA Bloggers, Let’s Do Something Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:41 +0000 http://justinhartman.com/?p=256#comment-1782 [...] horror of the last few day’s xenophobic violence in Johannesburg has left us all feeling shocked and hopeless. The danger here is that it’s very easy for us (and I’m speaking to the [...] [...] horror of the last few day’s xenophobic violence in Johannesburg has left us all feeling shocked and hopeless. The danger here is that it’s very easy for us (and I’m speaking to the [...]

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